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Crash_44 · January 9th, 2004, 05:46 PM

I was just saying you may not get a Nevada-type loss until the Tourney if the rest of your regular season schedule is full of good teams.

Anyway, I hope and pray we get the chance to beat a team like Kentucky in the tourney. I'd hate to beat a bunch of cupcakes who went farther than they should. If we're going to win a Championship, I want to earn it.

I was also hoping and praying that Cincy made the playoffs so KC would get a chance to redeem themselves. No such luck, but hopefully we play them next season. As for your team's offseason, here is how I breakdown their team:

QB-Solid with Kitna and should be set for the future with Palmer.

RB-If this year wasn't a fluke for Rudi, they should be fine and could get a very nice draft pick out of Dillon. Teams like Dallas, Arizona, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, New England, Washington, or maybe even teams like Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Oakland and the Jets could use a running back and may be interested.

FB-Jeremi Johnson is young, big and could be pretty good.

WR-With Johnson, Warrick & Washington, they're looking pretty good, but a 4th talented wide out wouldn't hurt.

TE-Maybe if they got a 1st rounder for Dillon they could trade that pick and the pick they already have to get high enough to get Winslow. If not, this position won't make or break them.

O-Line-Two good tackles and Steinbach set a good foundation. The better their line gets, the less pressure their QBs will be under and the more likely it becomes that Rudi will succeed.

D-Line-Might want to use their higher picks here. Outside of Justin Smith (Mizzou!) I don't know much about the other players they have on the line.

LB-With Hardy & Simmons, they're pretty solid.

DB-Good rookie in Weathersby, but I think they need to use free agency to solidify this area of the team. Maybe a draft pick if they don't trade up for a talent like Winslow or get a good player for the D-Line.

Special Teams-Graham was 88% on FGs this season, but 0-2 from beyond 50. He's decent for now. Richardson only averaged 40 yards a punt and only got 9 in the 20, so they may want to upgrade here to win the field position battle if possible.

That's my opinion, what's yours?

HuskerPower · January 10th, 2004, 02:19 AM

I know very little about them anyway,...... and there is a reason for that as before 3 years ago, NOBODIES

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According to ESPN:

Like Gonzaga, Bluejays well on their way to at least 22 wins and a sixth straight NCAA bid. Only other five in same company? Duke, Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky and Florida.

thats some pretty nice company and not to mention wins in 1999 and 2001 in the NCAA tournament....

nobody in the last 5 years?

you just dont understand the life of a mid major fan....

HuskerPower · January 10th, 2004, 02:22 AM

lol it *'s out E.S.P.N???

UKTopher23 · January 10th, 2004, 07:26 AM

I concede that they have done well in their conference. However, the company that they are in...Duke, UK, FLA, ARI, and Kansas all play in far tougher conferences, and play far tougher non-conference schedules. So, its like if you look at the NCAA records for scoring avg and total points. Pete Maravich is #1 in avg but played only 3 years, and is only like 300 points behind another guy for total points...he played 4 years and not totally unlike CU and midmajors, the other guy also played DIV II ball. See what I mean. Yes i know CU is a DIV I team, im just giving you an analogy to counter your comparing CU with the previous 5 teams mentioned.

UKTopher23 · January 10th, 2004, 07:42 AM

Crash, whats up man, it took me a couple of hours to find out the alltime head to head KU UK record, u didnt even give me kudos for it, much less ackknoweledge that historically we do own u.

Anyway, on Bengals picks. I agree with most you said, a lil 2 birds with one stoner, make our 4th talented WR our TE. If linebackers got to worry about a 60-80 rec TE all year, Warricks gonna be able to roam the middle and short routes even more. Im guessing Rudi is not a fluke, its not like he has some weird style that teams will adjust to next year, smashmouth baby. Oline was little banged up late. Im thinking use Corey and picks trade to get a TE and alot of that Cap room to get a shutdown corner. We can cover OK but we cant stop anybody it seeems like. And too many times with a lead we sat back in Prevent, that really burns my a** anyway later :?

Crash_44 · January 10th, 2004, 12:38 PM

Kudos.

I agree, I'd take Winslow over a 4th WR for sure. But if they don't get Winslow, I don't know who else there is, so they may need to look for a WR later in the draft.

HuskerPower · January 10th, 2004, 01:20 PM

Hahahaha, you think I was comparing Creighton to those teams? You said they were unheard except for the past three seasons and I was just telling you that you were flat out wrong...

UKTopher23 · January 12th, 2004, 10:10 AM

I didnt say they were unheard of. I said I didnt even blink twice at the name "Creighton" until about 3 years ago. Lets be honest they are a mid major, they kill in their conference, but against top 10 teams day in and dayout, like the teams in the SEC, ACC, and Big12 and so far have to play, they wouldnt do as well, probably.500 team. Comparing or trying to put in the same company using stats when they play totally inferior competition, I mean, the best team on your sched this year in or out of conference is the Salukis? If you cant get 22 wins out of that, your problems are huge. That is why mid majors only get the Conference winner in the tourney 9/10 times. I see you guys as team similar to Gonzaga and their success, but the play a far tougher nonconference schedule St. Joes, Georgia, Maryland, Missouri, and Stanford. went 3-2 against those teams, now that is a tough midmajor team.

HuskerPower · January 12th, 2004, 06:08 PM

You just don't get it. Teams such as those that you mentioned never want to play mid-majors because it doesnt benefit them. Using Gonzaga as an excuse is just poor because they are pretty much a major team playing in a mid-major conference only because they have established themself more than Creighton has the past few years. And as far as conference scheduling goes that just changes everything. Of course Creighton would go near .500 in the SEC, Big 12, and ACC, but those are the three best conferences in college basketball. The differences are unreal when it comes to recruiting, gameplay, etc. If you were a top 100 recruit in the nation where would you rather play? One of the teams in the top half of a major conference where NBA scouts notice you game in and game out whether you are being nationally televised in more than half of your games or not or Creighton or a similar school such as SIU, Butler, etc. where you are rarely ever going to be noticed by an NBA scout and most of the times players from mid-major conferences are scouted by the NBA they are not expected to be that well in their college years. Do you honestly believe that if Iowa, Iowa State, Missouri, Michigan, or any regional schools in the midwest knew of Kyle Korver's potential they would let him slip away to Creighton? You are so wrong that it is just ridiculous. I am not comparing Creighton to the likes of Kentucky and other perenial national powerhouses but I am saying that it is much harder to schedule good opponents and recruit better players until you can establish yourself such as Gonzaga has done when you play in a mid-major conference. And as for not blinking twice about Creighton maybe you could look to your favorite conference in the SEC and see if Florida blinked twice at Creighton in March? That is the same Florida team who tied Kentucky for the Eastern Division title in the SEC. Creighton 83 Florida 82? You'll blink come March...

Crash_44 · January 12th, 2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by UKTopher23

I didnt say they were unheard of. I said I didnt even blink twice at the name "Creighton" until about 3 years ago. Lets be honest they are a mid major, they kill in their conference, but against top 10 teams day in and dayout, like the teams in the SEC, ACC, and Big12 and so far have to play, they wouldnt do as well, probably.500 team. Comparing or trying to put in the same company using stats when they play totally inferior competition, I mean, the best team on your sched this year in or out of conference is the Salukis? If you cant get 22 wins out of that, your problems are huge. That is why mid majors only get the Conference winner in the tourney 9/10 times. I see you guys as team similar to Gonzaga and their success, but the play a far tougher nonconference schedule St. Joes, Georgia, Maryland, Missouri, and Stanford. went 3-2 against those teams, now that is a tough midmajor team.

Just like Miami (OH) probably couldn't compete with the "big boys" in football, right???

Mensa_Club_2 · January 12th, 2004, 06:44 PM

I will say this now, Creighton wouldn't even make it to .500 in a large conference. Neither would Miami (OH) in football.

Crash_44 · January 12th, 2004, 06:52 PM

I think they COULD do better (than .500) because in a big conference, they don't have to play EVERY team in the conference...well, in football anyway. Basketball would be harder, assuming every team in your conference is tip-top.

January 9th, 2004, 05:46 PM	#16
Crash_44 Rant Addict Join Date: 07-12-2002 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 6,835 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	I was just saying you may not get a Nevada-type loss until the Tourney if the rest of your regular season schedule is full of good teams. Anyway, I hope and pray we get the chance to beat a team like Kentucky in the tourney. I'd hate to beat a bunch of cupcakes who went farther than they should. If we're going to win a Championship, I want to earn it. I was also hoping and praying that Cincy made the playoffs so KC would get a chance to redeem themselves. No such luck, but hopefully we play them next season. As for your team's offseason, here is how I breakdown their team: QB-Solid with Kitna and should be set for the future with Palmer. RB-If this year wasn't a fluke for Rudi, they should be fine and could get a very nice draft pick out of Dillon. Teams like Dallas, Arizona, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, New England, Washington, or maybe even teams like Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Oakland and the Jets could use a running back and may be interested. FB-Jeremi Johnson is young, big and could be pretty good. WR-With Johnson, Warrick & Washington, they're looking pretty good, but a 4th talented wide out wouldn't hurt. TE-Maybe if they got a 1st rounder for Dillon they could trade that pick and the pick they already have to get high enough to get Winslow. If not, this position won't make or break them. O-Line-Two good tackles and Steinbach set a good foundation. The better their line gets, the less pressure their QBs will be under and the more likely it becomes that Rudi will succeed. D-Line-Might want to use their higher picks here. Outside of Justin Smith (Mizzou!) I don't know much about the other players they have on the line. LB-With Hardy & Simmons, they're pretty solid. DB-Good rookie in Weathersby, but I think they need to use free agency to solidify this area of the team. Maybe a draft pick if they don't trade up for a talent like Winslow or get a good player for the D-Line. Special Teams-Graham was 88% on FGs this season, but 0-2 from beyond 50. He's decent for now. Richardson only averaged 40 yards a punt and only got 9 in the 20, so they may want to upgrade here to win the field position battle if possible. That's my opinion, what's yours? __________________ If you want a FREE iPod, go HERE! What really wins games? FREE THROWS!

January 10th, 2004, 02:19 AM	#17
HuskerPower I Love Sports Join Date: 01-17-2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,163 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	I know very little about them anyway,...... and there is a reason for that as before 3 years ago, NOBODIES -------------------------------------------- According to ESPN: Like Gonzaga, Bluejays well on their way to at least 22 wins and a sixth straight NCAA bid. Only other five in same company? Duke, Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky and Florida. thats some pretty nice company and not to mention wins in 1999 and 2001 in the NCAA tournament.... nobody in the last 5 years? you just dont understand the life of a mid major fan.... __________________

January 10th, 2004, 02:22 AM	#18
HuskerPower I Love Sports Join Date: 01-17-2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,163 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	lol it *'s out E.S.P.N??? __________________

January 10th, 2004, 07:26 AM	#19
UKTopher23 Loyalist Join Date: 01-05-2004 Posts: 370 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	OK midmajor Fan I concede that they have done well in their conference. However, the company that they are in...Duke, UK, FLA, ARI, and Kansas all play in far tougher conferences, and play far tougher non-conference schedules. So, its like if you look at the NCAA records for scoring avg and total points. Pete Maravich is #1 in avg but played only 3 years, and is only like 300 points behind another guy for total points...he played 4 years and not totally unlike CU and midmajors, the other guy also played DIV II ball. See what I mean. Yes i know CU is a DIV I team, im just giving you an analogy to counter your comparing CU with the previous 5 teams mentioned.

January 10th, 2004, 07:42 AM	#20
UKTopher23 Loyalist Join Date: 01-05-2004 Posts: 370 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Crash' advise Crash, whats up man, it took me a couple of hours to find out the alltime head to head KU UK record, u didnt even give me kudos for it, much less ackknoweledge that historically we do own u. Anyway, on Bengals picks. I agree with most you said, a lil 2 birds with one stoner, make our 4th talented WR our TE. If linebackers got to worry about a 60-80 rec TE all year, Warricks gonna be able to roam the middle and short routes even more. Im guessing Rudi is not a fluke, its not like he has some weird style that teams will adjust to next year, smashmouth baby. Oline was little banged up late. Im thinking use Corey and picks trade to get a TE and alot of that Cap room to get a shutdown corner. We can cover OK but we cant stop anybody it seeems like. And too many times with a lead we sat back in Prevent, that really burns my a** anyway later :?

January 10th, 2004, 12:38 PM	#21
Crash_44 Rant Addict Join Date: 07-12-2002 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 6,835 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Kudos. I agree, I'd take Winslow over a 4th WR for sure. But if they don't get Winslow, I don't know who else there is, so they may need to look for a WR later in the draft. __________________ If you want a FREE iPod, go HERE! What really wins games? FREE THROWS!

January 10th, 2004, 01:20 PM	#22
HuskerPower I Love Sports Join Date: 01-17-2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,163 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Hahahaha, you think I was comparing Creighton to those teams? You said they were unheard except for the past three seasons and I was just telling you that you were flat out wrong... __________________

January 12th, 2004, 10:10 AM	#23
UKTopher23 Loyalist Join Date: 01-05-2004 Posts: 370 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Listen a little closer, read a little slower I didnt say they were unheard of. I said I didnt even blink twice at the name "Creighton" until about 3 years ago. Lets be honest they are a mid major, they kill in their conference, but against top 10 teams day in and dayout, like the teams in the SEC, ACC, and Big12 and so far have to play, they wouldnt do as well, probably.500 team. Comparing or trying to put in the same company using stats when they play totally inferior competition, I mean, the best team on your sched this year in or out of conference is the Salukis? If you cant get 22 wins out of that, your problems are huge. That is why mid majors only get the Conference winner in the tourney 9/10 times. I see you guys as team similar to Gonzaga and their success, but the play a far tougher nonconference schedule St. Joes, Georgia, Maryland, Missouri, and Stanford. went 3-2 against those teams, now that is a tough midmajor team.

January 12th, 2004, 06:08 PM	#24
HuskerPower I Love Sports Join Date: 01-17-2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,163 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	You just don't get it. Teams such as those that you mentioned never want to play mid-majors because it doesnt benefit them. Using Gonzaga as an excuse is just poor because they are pretty much a major team playing in a mid-major conference only because they have established themself more than Creighton has the past few years. And as far as conference scheduling goes that just changes everything. Of course Creighton would go near .500 in the SEC, Big 12, and ACC, but those are the three best conferences in college basketball. The differences are unreal when it comes to recruiting, gameplay, etc. If you were a top 100 recruit in the nation where would you rather play? One of the teams in the top half of a major conference where NBA scouts notice you game in and game out whether you are being nationally televised in more than half of your games or not or Creighton or a similar school such as SIU, Butler, etc. where you are rarely ever going to be noticed by an NBA scout and most of the times players from mid-major conferences are scouted by the NBA they are not expected to be that well in their college years. Do you honestly believe that if Iowa, Iowa State, Missouri, Michigan, or any regional schools in the midwest knew of Kyle Korver's potential they would let him slip away to Creighton? You are so wrong that it is just ridiculous. I am not comparing Creighton to the likes of Kentucky and other perenial national powerhouses but I am saying that it is much harder to schedule good opponents and recruit better players until you can establish yourself such as Gonzaga has done when you play in a mid-major conference. And as for not blinking twice about Creighton maybe you could look to your favorite conference in the SEC and see if Florida blinked twice at Creighton in March? That is the same Florida team who tied Kentucky for the Eastern Division title in the SEC. Creighton 83 Florida 82? You'll blink come March...

January 12th, 2004, 06:44 PM	#26
Mensa_Club_2 Rant Addict Join Date: 08-08-2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 8,602 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	I will say this now, Creighton wouldn't even make it to .500 in a large conference. Neither would Miami (OH) in football.

January 12th, 2004, 06:52 PM	#27
Crash_44 Rant Addict Join Date: 07-12-2002 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 6,835 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	I think they COULD do better (than .500) because in a big conference, they don't have to play EVERY team in the conference...well, in football anyway. Basketball would be harder, assuming every team in your conference is tip-top. __________________ If you want a FREE iPod, go HERE! What really wins games? FREE THROWS!