FLYERS 2007-08 - Page 3

klicks · June 25th, 2007, 11:37 AM

Hope you're right guys. Joni is so damned frustrating - can look so good one minute and so poor the next. I'm hoping last year was due to lost confidence - and the general malaise on the Flyers until the last quarter of the season or so. I'm guessing he hasn't moved yet becuse teams figure he's ion the dog house and are trying to get a steal but Holmgren is smarter than that and sees the potential - so he'll hold onto Pitkonen unless the right deal shows up. I like what I've seen so far in Holmgren - think he's the right guy to put the right pieces together to put the Flyers back to the top.

klicks · June 25th, 2007, 11:39 AM

sorry for the all typos - I'll try to be a little more careful.

BtownBeers · June 25th, 2007, 11:39 AM

Well as we have pointed out....Joni is dumb as a door knob and thats putting down door knobs so his lack of strength in play could be a direct result of just not playing smart which he apparently can't do well. Who knows.

I think the NHL is setting itself up for rough, troubled times (again) with how these salaries are running wild (again).

klicks · June 25th, 2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BtownBeers

Well as we have pointed out....Joni is dumb as a door knob and thats putting down door knobs so his lack of strength in play could be a direct result of just not playing smart which he apparently can't do well. Who knows.

I think the NHL is setting itself up for rough, troubled times (again) with how these salaries are running wild (again).

Yeah, bag of hammers have the same IQ as Joni from what I've heard.
Good call on the troubled times - obviously the cap wasn't enough to cause the owners/managers to start using some common sense. The whining from the 'small town' markets should start anytime now - hmmm, maybe Joni is a future NHL manager?

BtownJay · June 25th, 2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty17

We know he can play well and have seen him do so. I have no reason to believe last year is any indication of what the rest of his career will be like.

Thats just it... yes, he's dumb, but he has shown that he can consistantly play very well (see also, 2005/2006 season). Maybe with the team being so horrible he didn't have the same desire to try hard? And yes, i know, thats a SHITTY attitude to have, but a possibility.

Oh and who worries about typos Klicks?? I wouldn't appoligize for it... hell i can't spell half of the words i type correctly.

BtownBeers · June 25th, 2007, 11:58 AM

My new theory on Joni is that with how shitty the team played last year...he thought with all those brains of his that he was supposed to play as bad or worse than the rest of the guys...so it actually makes sense.

As long as the team plays stellar hockey next year...Joni will be a stud!

klicks · June 25th, 2007, 01:40 PM

hope it's that easy Beers!

BtownBeers · June 25th, 2007, 03:04 PM

LOL I'm bettin on it (with Jays money)!

BtownJay · June 25th, 2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BtownBeers

LOL I'm bettin on it (with Jays money)!

I hope you are getting good odds on that $3.50 bet!!

BtownBeers · June 25th, 2007, 03:09 PM

SatanHimself · June 25th, 2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BtownJay

Please explain how this team is being built like the Rangers.

And i'm torn on the whole $7.8 mil for Gomez. He's a very good play maker and two way player. He would fit great in between Gagne and Knuble, he really won't need to worry about scoring much himself. BUT, that does sound like an awful lot of cap space for a player who probably doesn't deserve that much money.

Taking a bottom of the barrel team and bringing in high priced free agents as a cure-all. Specifically, paying an above average player (Timonen) like a star and an average player (Hartnell) like a very good player.

Believe me, there is no way in hell Gomez is worth 7.8 million under a salary cap.

BtownJay · June 26th, 2007, 07:31 AM

The difference is, they didn't bring in any old high priced guys like the Rags, other than Timonen. But Timonen is still a top 5 d-man. Their whole core of players are under 25 years old (except Gagne who just turned 27). They brought in how much youth towards the end of last season and the off season. There is what, 2 older guys on their top 3 lines (Knuble and Kapanen)... its really not the same.

Rusty27 · June 26th, 2007, 07:40 AM

I agree. I see more of a youth movement and building a team for the future, not a win it all now bring in a bunch of high priced veterans mentality, so it would be contrary to this philosophy to bring in Gomez at that price and cause cap problems later.I'll be very disappointed if they overpay for Gomez.
The Timonen,Hartnell deal was just too good to pass up.

BtownJay · June 26th, 2007, 07:47 AM

You know, if the cap continues to go up, that wouldn't even be that horrible of a signing for Gomez. I mean even he's still only 27, and we will have a huge group of young talent signed for a pretty long time. Thats what its going to cost to get any #1 center in the game today. Thats just the way it is in the market.

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June 25th, 2007, 11:37 AM	#31
klicks Join Date: 07-04-2005 Posts: 1,385	Hope you're right guys. Joni is so damned frustrating - can look so good one minute and so poor the next. I'm hoping last year was due to lost confidence - and the general malaise on the Flyers until the last quarter of the season or so. I'm guessing he hasn't moved yet becuse teams figure he's ion the dog house and are trying to get a steal but Holmgren is smarter than that and sees the potential - so he'll hold onto Pitkonen unless the right deal shows up. I like what I've seen so far in Holmgren - think he's the right guy to put the right pieces together to put the Flyers back to the top.

June 25th, 2007, 11:39 AM	#32
klicks Join Date: 07-04-2005 Posts: 1,385	sorry for the all typos - I'll try to be a little more careful.

June 25th, 2007, 11:58 AM	#36
BtownBeers Join Date: 08-23-2004 Location: In Mrs. Jays Pants! Posts: 22,216	My new theory on Joni is that with how shitty the team played last year...he thought with all those brains of his that he was supposed to play as bad or worse than the rest of the guys...so it actually makes sense. As long as the team plays stellar hockey next year...Joni will be a stud!

June 25th, 2007, 01:40 PM	#37
klicks Join Date: 07-04-2005 Posts: 1,385	hope it's that easy Beers!

June 25th, 2007, 03:04 PM	#38
BtownBeers Join Date: 08-23-2004 Location: In Mrs. Jays Pants! Posts: 22,216	LOL I'm bettin on it (with Jays money)!

June 26th, 2007, 07:31 AM	#42
BtownJay Join Date: 07-14-2004 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 28,779	The difference is, they didn't bring in any old high priced guys like the Rags, other than Timonen. But Timonen is still a top 5 d-man. Their whole core of players are under 25 years old (except Gagne who just turned 27). They brought in how much youth towards the end of last season and the off season. There is what, 2 older guys on their top 3 lines (Knuble and Kapanen)... its really not the same.

June 26th, 2007, 07:40 AM	#43
Rusty27 Join Date: 07-15-2004 Location: Knoxville,Tenn. Posts: 29,241	I agree. I see more of a youth movement and building a team for the future, not a win it all now bring in a bunch of high priced veterans mentality, so it would be contrary to this philosophy to bring in Gomez at that price and cause cap problems later.I'll be very disappointed if they overpay for Gomez. The Timonen,Hartnell deal was just too good to pass up.

June 26th, 2007, 07:47 AM	#44
BtownJay Join Date: 07-14-2004 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 28,779	You know, if the cap continues to go up, that wouldn't even be that horrible of a signing for Gomez. I mean even he's still only 27, and we will have a huge group of young talent signed for a pretty long time. Thats what its going to cost to get any #1 center in the game today. Thats just the way it is in the market.