End of Season Awards - projections

Rock · February 25th, 2005, 03:34 PM

Coach of the Year - Weber - Illinois- I've had a change of heart, he deserves it

All Americans:
1st Team:
Ike Diougu ASU
Wayne Simien KU
Bogut - Utah
Salim Stoudamire Arizona
Deron Williams Illiniois

2nd Team:
Hakim Warrik Syracuse
Sean May - UNC
Shelden Williams - Dook
JJ Reddick - Dook
Chris Paul - Wake Forest

Honorable Mention
Dee Brown - Illinois
Luther Head - Illinois
Raymond Felton - UNC
Aaron Miles - KU
Ronny Turiaf - Gonzaga
Erik Williams - Wake Forest
Brandon Bass - LSU
Jawad Williams - UNC
Keith Langford - KU

Freshman of they Year - Jameson Curry 1st
Daniel Gibson 2nd
Marvin Williams - 3rd
Rondo - 4th

National Player of the year: Deron Williams 1st
Diogu 2nd
Paul 3rd

Insanity · February 25th, 2005, 03:50 PM

I won't argue with Williams for player of the year, but Bogut will be right up there with him.

KP · February 25th, 2005, 05:42 PM

Jordon Farmar at UCLA deserves some mention for Freshman of the Year. I'm not saying he's the top Frosh 'cause I don't know what the stats are of any of the players mentioned, but to be the starting PG as a true freshman for team with such a huge turnaround from last year, that might also make the NC2A's, has to have some mention.

I truly don't know who or even what teams the four you mentioned play for or even what their positions are. Is it a reach to mention Farmar in the same breath?

Crash_44 · February 25th, 2005, 06:20 PM

I think these last few games of the regular season (particularly this Sunday) as well as the Big XII tourney will have a big impact on what honors Simien, Miles, Langford, John Lucas, & Joey Graham receive.

focal22 · February 27th, 2005, 04:29 AM

Re DICK from Duke will be first team...since he is on TV every damn week.

put Stoudamire on 2nd team

UKTopher23 · February 27th, 2005, 12:20 PM

IMO.....

Bogut is gonna get POY

Gibson is the best Freshman Ive seen, Curry came on too late

but alot of these races might get closer in the last few weeks....

I think Sparks from UK gets the Xfer of the year award, of course I think thats only a Dick Vitale award right?

focal22 · February 28th, 2005, 01:51 AM

Re dick will get any vitale award.

Rock · February 28th, 2005, 11:10 AM

KP,
Jameson Curry -SG OSU
Daniel Gibson - PG Texas
Marvin Wiliams - PF UNC
Rondo - PG Kentucky

I think since all these teams have enjoyed more success, and better TV coverage than UCLA that minimially the two other point gaurds would be ahead of Farmer. Marvin comes off the bench for UNC, but he is probably the most talented freshman in the nation. One guy I forgot was Darius Washington PG for Memphis, he deserves some votes too.......
I have only watch bits and pieces of a handful of games for UCLA and I don't know Farmer's stats, but I would imagine it would be tough for him to rise above any of the mentioned fish, especially since your point gaurd argument applies to 3-4 others....

Rock · February 28th, 2005, 11:12 AM

After Simien's big game yesterday I would put him closer to POY talk too, but I still think Illinois deserves alot of credit for being undefeated.....

Crash_44 · February 28th, 2005, 12:53 PM

That and I can see Simien's injury hurting his case. Had KU lost three in a row when he was out and won every game after his return, then it might be different. Maybe I'm looking at the POY too much like a MVP award. I would have a hard time not finding a player on Illinois who deserves it.

However Boston College's head coach should be getting more talk for coach of the year depending on how they finish the regular season. I know Illinois hasn't been beaten, but Webber is coaching someone else's recruits and Boston College is a much smaller program in a much stronger conference. But, you can't say Webber doesn't deserve it if he does win coach of the year.

Rock · February 28th, 2005, 02:45 PM

Roy and Bill are coaching someone else's recruits for the most part too, I wouldn't let that take anything away from the coach of the year conversation, its the best coaching job, not recruiting job.......Skinner does deserve alot of credit for BC, but I think too often there is another story out there with coaches that keeps the coach who did the best job regardless of talent from winning the award, I would like to see that change.
A good point of reference is the ACC this year, Prosser and Roy are not going to get alot of votes because they have the most talented teams, even though they are getting the job done night in and night out and will finish 1 and 2 in the conference in some order, instead because it is perceived that Dook is working with less, or V-Tech is able to to go .500 that their coaches deserve more credit....They do deserve credit yes, but to say they did a better coaching job than the man who took his team to the top of the league, I dont buy into that........

February 25th, 2005, 03:34 PM	#1
Rock Loyalist Join Date: 07-09-2002 Posts: 375 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	End of Season Awards - projections Coach of the Year - Weber - Illinois- I've had a change of heart, he deserves it All Americans: 1st Team: Ike Diougu ASU Wayne Simien KU Bogut - Utah Salim Stoudamire Arizona Deron Williams Illiniois 2nd Team: Hakim Warrik Syracuse Sean May - UNC Shelden Williams - Dook JJ Reddick - Dook Chris Paul - Wake Forest Honorable Mention Dee Brown - Illinois Luther Head - Illinois Raymond Felton - UNC Aaron Miles - KU Ronny Turiaf - Gonzaga Erik Williams - Wake Forest Brandon Bass - LSU Jawad Williams - UNC Keith Langford - KU Freshman of they Year - Jameson Curry 1st Daniel Gibson 2nd Marvin Williams - 3rd Rondo - 4th National Player of the year: Deron Williams 1st Diogu 2nd Paul 3rd

February 25th, 2005, 03:50 PM	#2
Insanity Bleeding Wine & Gold since 1981 Join Date: 10-26-2002 Posts: 540 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	I won't argue with Williams for player of the year, but Bogut will be right up there with him. __________________ --J-- www.shinraonline.com - SO Sports Talk mod

February 25th, 2005, 05:42 PM	#3
KP blank Join Date: 07-08-2002 Posts: 1,988 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Jordon Farmar at UCLA deserves some mention for Freshman of the Year. I'm not saying he's the top Frosh 'cause I don't know what the stats are of any of the players mentioned, but to be the starting PG as a true freshman for team with such a huge turnaround from last year, that might also make the NC2A's, has to have some mention. I truly don't know who or even what teams the four you mentioned play for or even what their positions are. Is it a reach to mention Farmar in the same breath? __________________ It's a RANT DADDY world.....and we're all just livin' in it!

February 25th, 2005, 06:20 PM	#4
Crash_44 Rant Addict Join Date: 07-12-2002 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 6,835 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	I think these last few games of the regular season (particularly this Sunday) as well as the Big XII tourney will have a big impact on what honors Simien, Miles, Langford, John Lucas, & Joey Graham receive. __________________ If you want a FREE iPod, go HERE! What really wins games? FREE THROWS!

February 27th, 2005, 04:29 AM	#5
focal22 Rant Addict Join Date: 08-07-2002 Posts: 6,506 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Re DICK from Duke will be first team...since he is on TV every damn week. put Stoudamire on 2nd team __________________ Everyone must :allpraise LONG BEACH's finest Transit Instructor: RAIDER ASSASSIN. Who needs a good upside his big bald dark head. All he knows how to do is :4-argue: Most the time he is and pussy :whipped: by his dog. bunch of over educated inbred sue happy people.

February 27th, 2005, 12:20 PM	#6
UKTopher23 Loyalist Join Date: 01-05-2004 Posts: 370 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	yeah, a few changes for me too IMO..... Bogut is gonna get POY Gibson is the best Freshman Ive seen, Curry came on too late but alot of these races might get closer in the last few weeks.... I think Sparks from UK gets the Xfer of the year award, of course I think thats only a Dick Vitale award right? __________________ UK RULES //kneelbef :4-diss1: <-- for Crash

February 28th, 2005, 01:51 AM	#7
focal22 Rant Addict Join Date: 08-07-2002 Posts: 6,506 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Re dick will get any vitale award. __________________ Everyone must :allpraise LONG BEACH's finest Transit Instructor: RAIDER ASSASSIN. Who needs a good upside his big bald dark head. All he knows how to do is :4-argue: Most the time he is and pussy :whipped: by his dog. bunch of over educated inbred sue happy people.

February 28th, 2005, 11:10 AM	#8
Rock Loyalist Join Date: 07-09-2002 Posts: 375 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	KP, Jameson Curry -SG OSU Daniel Gibson - PG Texas Marvin Wiliams - PF UNC Rondo - PG Kentucky I think since all these teams have enjoyed more success, and better TV coverage than UCLA that minimially the two other point gaurds would be ahead of Farmer. Marvin comes off the bench for UNC, but he is probably the most talented freshman in the nation. One guy I forgot was Darius Washington PG for Memphis, he deserves some votes too....... I have only watch bits and pieces of a handful of games for UCLA and I don't know Farmer's stats, but I would imagine it would be tough for him to rise above any of the mentioned fish, especially since your point gaurd argument applies to 3-4 others....

February 28th, 2005, 11:12 AM	#9
Rock Loyalist Join Date: 07-09-2002 Posts: 375 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	After Simien's big game yesterday I would put him closer to POY talk too, but I still think Illinois deserves alot of credit for being undefeated.....

February 28th, 2005, 12:53 PM	#10
Crash_44 Rant Addict Join Date: 07-12-2002 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 6,835 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	That and I can see Simien's injury hurting his case. Had KU lost three in a row when he was out and won every game after his return, then it might be different. Maybe I'm looking at the POY too much like a MVP award. I would have a hard time not finding a player on Illinois who deserves it. However Boston College's head coach should be getting more talk for coach of the year depending on how they finish the regular season. I know Illinois hasn't been beaten, but Webber is coaching someone else's recruits and Boston College is a much smaller program in a much stronger conference. But, you can't say Webber doesn't deserve it if he does win coach of the year. __________________ If you want a FREE iPod, go HERE! What really wins games? FREE THROWS!

February 28th, 2005, 02:45 PM	#11
Rock Loyalist Join Date: 07-09-2002 Posts: 375 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Roy and Bill are coaching someone else's recruits for the most part too, I wouldn't let that take anything away from the coach of the year conversation, its the best coaching job, not recruiting job.......Skinner does deserve alot of credit for BC, but I think too often there is another story out there with coaches that keeps the coach who did the best job regardless of talent from winning the award, I would like to see that change. A good point of reference is the ACC this year, Prosser and Roy are not going to get alot of votes because they have the most talented teams, even though they are getting the job done night in and night out and will finish 1 and 2 in the conference in some order, instead because it is perceived that Dook is working with less, or V-Tech is able to to go .500 that their coaches deserve more credit....They do deserve credit yes, but to say they did a better coaching job than the man who took his team to the top of the league, I dont buy into that........

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