Rivals National Freshman of the Year

[KP]

Didn't come from the ACC

Didn't come from the SEC

Didn't come from the Big East

Didn't come from the Big Ten

Didn't come from the Big XII

The Rivals National Player of the Year came from the PAC 10

Jordan Farmar, PG, UCLA

And you all thought I was crazy for even mentioning his name in another post.

UCLA....not North Carolina; not Duke; not Kansas;

UCLA

[Crash_44]

...or Texas.

[Rock]

Yeah lets see how that stacks up with any major publication, Rivals is always a little off the cusp, I mean if you were going to pick a freshman point gaurd I would have gone with Gibson, Rondo or Washington, but I still think Marvin Williams wins it....

[Rock]

Dickie V's
NATIONAL DIAPER DANDY OF THE YEAR (best freshman) – Daniel Gibson | Texas
There have been a number of impact freshmen across America, but where would the Longhorns be without Gibson, their rookie point guard? He has been the team's top scorer since sophomore forward P.J. Tucker was declared academically ineligible and freshman forward LaMarcus Aldridge was injured.

[focal22]

fuck dick vitale.. that guy from NC can play

[KP]

Originally Posted by Rock

Dickie V's
NATIONAL DIAPER DANDY OF THE YEAR (best freshman) – Daniel Gibson | Texas
There have been a number of impact freshmen across America, but where would the Longhorns be without Gibson, their rookie point guard? He has been the team's top scorer since sophomore forward P.J. Tucker was declared academically ineligible and freshman forward LaMarcus Aldridge was injured.

Same exact thing that can be said about Farmar, except he played the entire year.

Farmar has started all 27 games for the Bruins, who are a virtual lock for the NCAA tournament, and is averaging 13.5 points, 5.3 assists, 3.5 rebounds and 1.4 steals per game heading into postseason play. He's shooting 43 percent from the floor, including 36 percent from 3-point range, and 81 percent from the foul line, while playing better than 34 minutes per game.

Marvin Williams, 6-9, forward, North Carolina
Arguably the nation's most talented rookie, Williams averaged 11.3 points and 6.5 boards in just 22 minutes per game. He also shot 52 percent from the floor and 84 percent from the line.
Darius Washington Jr., 6-2, guard, Memphis
A pure scorer at the point, Washington poured in 15.6 points per game, reaching double figures in the Tigers' last 18 regular-season tilts. He also averaged 3.9 boards and 3.4 assists.
Daniel Gibson, 6-2, guard, Texas
Gibson has been a constant for the Longhorns, who had plenty of adversity to overcome in posting a 20-win regular season, averaging 14.5 points, 4.1 assists and 3.7 rebounds per game.

Rondo: 8 pts; 4 assts; 3 boards; 2.6 steals

Yeah, I can see where Farmar's stats just don't stand up to the other guys.....

LMAO

[Crash_44]

Ha! Rondo. Funny name even befor you compare him to those guys.

[Rock]

I never said the stats don't stack up, as a matter of fact I believe you can look up where I said I am not as familiar with Farmar......however it looks like his stats match up pretty closely to Daniel Gibsons, I would like to see the assist to turnover ration because that is one of the best measures of point gaurd play, but I would be they are close considering everything else is close....

However let's look at how the competition stacks up quality opponents with quality point gaurds..........
Daniel Gibson played head up against Chris Paul(Wake), Aaron Miles(KU), Darius Washington(Memphis), John Lucas(OSU) twice, Drew Lavendar(OU) twice, Donald Ross(TTU) twice, and Pierre Pierce(IOWA)
Farmar had Shakur(Zona) twice, Robinson(Wash) twice Grunsfeld or whoever(Stanford) twice and Chris Thomas(ND)

It seems to me that Daniel is getting the same job done against a much harder bread of competitor night in and night out........and then to look at a point gaurd's most important job, Texas has 20 wins, UCLA 18............


As far as Marvin goes, Focal I am with you, Marvin is far and away the most talented freshman in the nation, and if he was averaging 5 - 7 more minutes a game he would walk away with this thing.....however I do think because he is coming off the bench and is really the 3rd or 4th option when he is in the game that Gibson or Lucas probably deserve the award.

[KP]

Texas had twenty wins, however one was against 1-AA Texas St.

Farmar: 138 assists; 102 TOs; 1.35 ratio
Gibson: 114 assists; 85 TOs; 1.34 ratio

UCLA non-conf SOS: 98
Texas non-conf SOS: 179

UCLA RPI: 30
Texas RPI: 34

UCLA overall SOS: 22
Texas overall SOS: 44

UCLA Opp SOS: 14
UCLA Opp SOS: 29

Pac10 Conf RPI: 2
Big XII Conf RPI: 3

It's all about what you want to see....some just don't get out of the midwest.....

[Rock]

that fine and dandy like I said quality opponents with quality point gaurds, now quick who runs the point for ASU, USC? how about Oregon state, I guess you can put Aaron Brooks up there as a semi decent pg, but come one now, the list of pg's he's played has nothing on Chris Paul, Aaron Miles and John Lucas who are all three better than anything he's seen this season. Especially Aaron Miles on the defensive end of the court.

Daniel Gibson gets alot of credit also for carrying a team that lost its leading scorer and leading rebounder to injury and lost its second leading scorer to academic ineligiblity.

Finally the RPI while a good measure of the quality of you opponents (IE how many in the RPI top 50 did you beat) really does not measure a team or a league well at all. I mean seriously the Pac 10 with 2 teams that max between a 2 and 3 seed and 2 bubble teams has a higher RPI than the big east with 2 teams that could rise up to a 1 seed, 2 others that are in the hunt for a 2-5 and 4 more tourney teams???????

KP I have a serious biase against West coast basketball because I flat out dont watch anything outside of the occasional Arizona game, or turn on a couple of minutes of UCLA with the sound off just to see if B-MO is getting some good minutes, but I find it hard to believe that every major publication I read, CNNSI, ESPN, the sporting news, sportsline, the insiders, etc... would miss the boat on this Farmar kid. I will say the same thing I said the first time you brought him up though, he could be good for all I know but I think Daniel Gibson, Jameson Curry, Rondo, Darius Washington or Marvin Williams will win it because each has good stats to a team that is more succesfull this season than UCLA(although you can throw that out with Darius because Memphis is barely even on the bubble that UCLA sits so squarely in the middle of)

[KP]

ASU and usc? Okay.....Baylor and Kansas St?

I don't watch much college basketball outside of UCLA...I'm just not that big a fan of NCAA basketball....but that's for a different discussion.

So, like you don't know much about west coast bb, I don't know much about the other players mentioned. The ones I listed were named to the All-Freshman team....with Farmar. I only put up the stats to see where everyone fit in....his stats measure up very well. When I first mentioned Farmar in this topic I had no idea what his stats where nor the stats of the other players. I mentioned him simply because he was the starting QB on a nationally recognized school....and doing well....especially over last year. That has to mean something...even if it is west coast bb.

UCLA couldn't be farther off the bubble than the top ten teams in the country...meaning only that they are 'in' regardless of how they do in their tourney, just like the media darlings like UNC, Duke, Louisville, Kansas and all the other headliners. With their horrible schedule and mid-major conference, where will Memphis be?

You mentioned Gibson's team shortcomings....okay. Duly noted. Farmar started with two other true frosh with another true frosh the first or second off the bench with major minutes. (B-Mo) being the other. That doesn't equate with Gibson? Farmar didn't have a major obstacle to deal with in THREE true frosh? And stil put up the numbers he did.....

I know you'll never give the kid credit 'cause plays for UCLA and on the west coast, but looking at what the other kids on the list did, you couldn't have gone wrong with any of them.

I know, I know we can argue this point all day long...the bottom line is Farmar does not get enough credit, nor west coast bb for that matter, because of, well, the dread phrase we all know is true, alive, and very well in sports.

[Rock]

Tell them to schedule their games where I don't have to stay up to midnight to watch the end, and more importantly the writers on the East Coast dont have to stay up till 1 in the morning and the PAc-10 will get more credit.
Once again though I must reiterate that kid could be the best of the bunch as far as I know, however I would put my money on Gibson or Washington...

That beng said I am rooting for UCLA to at leat win a game or two, I really like B-Mo and was upset when he transferred out of UNC, I can understand why he did, but he was really the one fallout from that class that I miss.....the kid can frustrate the heck out of you one minute and be unstoppable the next