First Illinois, then Cleveland, Washington, and Florida State to follow?

Chris Kelley · March 16th, 2005, 04:09 PM

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8295844

Two things alone to point out.

#1, If that kid who's embarrassed by "his heritage being reduced to a halftime dance" actually finds his personal well-being affected by something like a college halftime show, then he needs to get with self-help books, not pointing at the big bad collegiate empires who supposedly are making his life so 'miserable'.

#2, I personally vote for a white-power/white-supremicist symbol and mascot to replace the Native American one, just to see how satisfied and at ease the plaintiffs would actually be if it were indeed changed. Seriously, can't you just see the gasps of excitement?

johnnyfunkwagon · March 23rd, 2005, 06:21 PM

I'm not denying that native americans got a raw deal years ago...so let's give in a make a change.

How about this for a new name that more accurately represents the native american in today's society:

...The Illinois Pit Bosses

...The Cleveland Gamblers

...The Washington Black Jacks

...The Florida State Roulettes

etc.

Insanity · March 23rd, 2005, 10:29 PM

I read an article some time ago and I wish I could find it now that says most American Indians aren't bothered by these teams and it is mostly a small number of activists who raise such a stink about it.

jtg33 · March 27th, 2005, 02:56 PM

And yet those are the voices everybody hears, no matter the subject - the small, vocal minority gets all the coverage and it is outright assumed that everybody of that particular culture/social division thinks and feels the same way.

KP · March 27th, 2005, 03:34 PM

I read/heard the same thing Insanity is talking about...like jtg is saying, if you make enough noise no matter how large a group of people, you'll be heard. That's what the media likes nowadays....controversy. It used to be sex that sells...now its controversy.

Maybe because I'm not a Native American, but I've never understood why it is so offensive to have knicknames like Indians, Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, etc. Isn't what they were actually called? Redskins I could understand, but the others are perplexing to me.

Insanity · March 30th, 2005, 12:04 AM

I'm annoyed that the Indians have phased out Chief Wahoo somewhat in the last couple of years. They have that stupid script "I" they like to use now and put that on their alternate and spring training unis.

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March 16th, 2005, 04:09 PM	#1
Chris Kelley Join Date: 11-20-2004 Posts: 66	First Illinois, then Cleveland, Washington, and Florida State to follow? http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8295844 Two things alone to point out. #1, If that kid who's embarrassed by "his heritage being reduced to a halftime dance" actually finds his personal well-being affected by something like a college halftime show, then he needs to get with self-help books, not pointing at the big bad collegiate empires who supposedly are making his life so 'miserable'. #2, I personally vote for a white-power/white-supremicist symbol and mascot to replace the Native American one, just to see how satisfied and at ease the plaintiffs would actually be if it were indeed changed. Seriously, can't you just see the gasps of excitement?

March 23rd, 2005, 06:21 PM	#2
johnnyfunkwagon Join Date: 12-24-2003 Posts: 8	I'm not denying that native americans got a raw deal years ago...so let's give in a make a change. How about this for a new name that more accurately represents the native american in today's society: ...The Illinois Pit Bosses ...The Cleveland Gamblers ...The Washington Black Jacks ...The Florida State Roulettes etc.

March 23rd, 2005, 10:29 PM	#3
Insanity Join Date: 10-26-2002 Posts: 540	I read an article some time ago and I wish I could find it now that says most American Indians aren't bothered by these teams and it is mostly a small number of activists who raise such a stink about it.

March 27th, 2005, 02:56 PM	#4
jtg33 Join Date: 03-17-2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,487	And yet those are the voices everybody hears, no matter the subject - the small, vocal minority gets all the coverage and it is outright assumed that everybody of that particular culture/social division thinks and feels the same way.

March 27th, 2005, 03:34 PM	#5
KP Join Date: 07-08-2002 Posts: 1,988	I read/heard the same thing Insanity is talking about...like jtg is saying, if you make enough noise no matter how large a group of people, you'll be heard. That's what the media likes nowadays....controversy. It used to be sex that sells...now its controversy. Maybe because I'm not a Native American, but I've never understood why it is so offensive to have knicknames like Indians, Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, etc. Isn't what they were actually called? Redskins I could understand, but the others are perplexing to me.

March 30th, 2005, 12:04 AM	#6
Insanity Join Date: 10-26-2002 Posts: 540	I'm annoyed that the Indians have phased out Chief Wahoo somewhat in the last couple of years. They have that stupid script "I" they like to use now and put that on their alternate and spring training unis.

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