Derrek Lee

pint · August 27th, 2005, 12:24 PM

Ive looked through the threads and nobody is even talking about Derrek Lee. He is leading Batting Avg by 16 points with .350, he is 3 HR's behind Andruw Jones with 37, and has 91 RBI's 7 behind Pujols. I as a Chicago Cubs fan dont think he will win the Triple Crown, but I strongly believe he is MVP material, and by the end of the year he will win the MVP if he keeps this up.

KP · August 27th, 2005, 04:18 PM

I totally agree that Lee should be a frontrunner for MVP. Problem, he doesn't get the national (ESPN-type) of hype that AJ and AP get.

It sucks, it's not right....but it just is.

HUSKERSnCUBS · August 27th, 2005, 08:16 PM

Hes been cooling off A LOT since before the all star break.

HuskerPower · August 28th, 2005, 10:41 PM

he has been cooling off and you wont hear anyone talk about him here, everybody hates the cubs and everything associated with them

BtownJay · August 29th, 2005, 08:08 AM

LMAO! I pictured CU stomping his feet and pounding his fist while typing that!

My question is... what exactly is he the MVP of? A team in 4th place and 6 games under .500? The award is MOST VALUABLE PLAYER... not player of the year.

AndyC0803 · August 29th, 2005, 08:38 AM

No one is talking about Lee because he simply doesn't deserve the MVP award:

A. The Cubs have almost no shot of making the playoffs.
B. He has totally cooled off. Pre All-Star Break he was hitting .378/27/72. Post All-Star break he is .295/12/22. His OBP is down from .452 to .394.

KP · August 29th, 2005, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BtownJay

LMAO! I pictured CU stomping his feet and pounding his fist while typing that!

My question is... what exactly is he the MVP of? A team in 4th place and 6 games under .500? The award is MOST VALUABLE PLAYER... not player of the year.

That's the biggest problem....there is no definitive definition of the award.

It just is always who the most popular player is.

There is precedent of a player winning on a losing team....see Andre Dawson and Alex Rodriguez. Lee would have to blow away AJ and AP with his numbers, but they're all so close Lee won't sniff the award.

Smiling_Goat · August 30th, 2005, 02:29 AM

AJ will get the MVP imho. He is having his best year in the league while carrying the Braves into the postseason. With Chipper on and off the DL and no one to lead, he has done more than i ever expected.
But i must say one thing, Jeff Francouer is simply amazing right now. His arm is insane and he seems to have an eye for making contact. He didnt show much in AA but he sure has kicked some major ass. Go Braves! Phils suck! Mets suck more!

BtownJay · August 30th, 2005, 08:18 AM

Hey Goat, F the Braves!!!

Anyway... Jones should win the MVP award hands down. This shouldn't even be close. Unless of course he chokes and sucks down the stretch. But no one was more valuable to their team than he was this season (so far of course). With all their injuries and rookies in the line-up, he was the one staple you could count on to hold everthing together. IMO, if it wasn't for Jones, the Braves wouldn't be leading the division.

KP, there is a definition of the award, but the voters has misconstrued (sp) it time and time again. It is not the player of the year award, it is for the player who is most valuable to his team.

KP · August 30th, 2005, 08:40 AM

Hmmm....I always read/heard from voters that there wasn't a hardcore definition, but an understood definition. Gammons, Stark...guys like that.

In any event, I don't think there should be much complaint if any of the three win.

BtownJay · August 30th, 2005, 09:12 AM

MLB Most Valuable Player Award

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

(Redirected from MLB Most Valuable Player award)
In the game of baseball, both amateur and professional, it is tradition to annually recognize the one player in the league who has contributed the most to the success of the player's team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Mos...e_Player_award

All i could find... not sure if there is an "offical" definition, but I know this is what the award was intended for when it first started.

AndyC0803 · August 30th, 2005, 10:18 AM

Is AJ on the juice? His best offensive year was 2003 when he went .277/36/116. He's already got more HRs and should get more RBI. He could end up at .270/55/130, which is a really big jump over his career numbers. Maybe a little fishy...

AndyC0803 · August 30th, 2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CUjays01

he has been cooling off and you wont hear anyone talk about him here, everybody hates the cubs and everything associated with them

The reason why so many hate the Cubs is because they are the high school geeks of the MLB. Follow me here: everyone remembers that one guy in high school that was picked on and you felt sorry for him. At first you kind of stuck up for him out of pity but the more you got to know him the more you thought that maybe he deserved it. He was a spaz and pretty annoying and just looked for ways to get under peoples’ skin. Eventually you stopped sticking up for him and ultimately you started picking on him as well.

The Cubs start off every season talking about how this is “their year” and that they finally have the tools to win. There even seems to be a sense of entitlement and arrogance despite the fact that they have done nothing in almost 100 years to warrant any kind of respect. The more you watch them the more you realize that it’s their own fault that they suck and they really don’t deserve your loyalty or your pity. It would be one thing if they tried to improve but, like the high school geek, the Cubs feel that you should be happy with what you get from them, no matter how mediocre.

The American attitude tends to reward perseverance and effort, no matter the result. On the flip side, it seems that complacency and incompetence are particularly irritating. The Cubs seem to have both of those qualities in abundance. It’s no wonder people don’t like them.

Mike · August 30th, 2005, 04:22 PM

Someone needs to find the OFFCIAL rules on guidlines on the MVP, from the league itself! Maybe We can track that down

BtownBeers · August 31st, 2005, 09:46 AM

I was looking for something on it and found some history on it then got bored and moved on

August 27th, 2005, 12:24 PM	#1
pint Without sports what could we hold on to forever? Join Date: 07-25-2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 10	Derrek Lee Ive looked through the threads and nobody is even talking about Derrek Lee. He is leading Batting Avg by 16 points with .350, he is 3 HR's behind Andruw Jones with 37, and has 91 RBI's 7 behind Pujols. I as a Chicago Cubs fan dont think he will win the Triple Crown, but I strongly believe he is MVP material, and by the end of the year he will win the MVP if he keeps this up. __________________ Cubs Bulls Fighting Illini Bears What can I say...Chi-town is where I live.

August 27th, 2005, 04:18 PM	#2
KP blank Join Date: 07-08-2002 Posts: 1,988	I totally agree that Lee should be a frontrunner for MVP. Problem, he doesn't get the national (ESPN-type) of hype that AJ and AP get. It sucks, it's not right....but it just is. __________________ It's a RANT DADDY world.....and we're all just livin' in it!

August 27th, 2005, 08:16 PM	#3
HUSKERSnCUBS BO KNOWS FOOTBALL Join Date: 06-25-2004 Location: Omaha Posts: 987	Hes been cooling off A LOT since before the all star break. __________________ Husker Football- BO BIG RED! Year one of the Pelini Era in the books lead to a 9-4 Record and a Gator Bowl win over CLEMSON GO BIG RED Husker Basketball Doc "Same Ball, New Game" Doc Sadler love him or hate him, hes a great coach. Finally got some post players for next year, it should be interesting. Cubs Baseball 100 years YOU BLEW IT!!!!!!!

August 28th, 2005, 10:41 PM	#4
HuskerPower I Love Sports Join Date: 01-17-2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,163	he has been cooling off and you wont hear anyone talk about him here, everybody hates the cubs and everything associated with them __________________

August 29th, 2005, 08:08 AM	#5
BtownJay Death to Crosby Join Date: 07-14-2004 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 36,278	LMAO! I pictured CU stomping his feet and pounding his fist while typing that! My question is... what exactly is he the MVP of? A team in 4th place and 6 games under .500? The award is MOST VALUABLE PLAYER... not player of the year. __________________

August 29th, 2005, 08:38 AM	#6
AndyC0803 The Ayatollah of Rock n' Rollah! Join Date: 06-26-2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,302	No one is talking about Lee because he simply doesn't deserve the MVP award: A. The Cubs have almost no shot of making the playoffs. B. He has totally cooled off. Pre All-Star Break he was hitting .378/27/72. Post All-Star break he is .295/12/22. His OBP is down from .452 to .394. __________________ Give to a great cause by clicking this link and then clicking the "donate" button. Thanks!

August 30th, 2005, 02:29 AM	#8
Smiling_Goat War Eagle! Join Date: 07-27-2005 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 312	AJ will get the MVP imho. He is having his best year in the league while carrying the Braves into the postseason. With Chipper on and off the DL and no one to lead, he has done more than i ever expected. But i must say one thing, Jeff Francouer is simply amazing right now. His arm is insane and he seems to have an eye for making contact. He didnt show much in AA but he sure has kicked some major ass. Go Braves! Phils suck! Mets suck more! __________________ The Phillies suck!!!

August 30th, 2005, 08:18 AM	#9
BtownJay Death to Crosby Join Date: 07-14-2004 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 36,278	Hey Goat, F the Braves!!! Anyway... Jones should win the MVP award hands down. This shouldn't even be close. Unless of course he chokes and sucks down the stretch. But no one was more valuable to their team than he was this season (so far of course). With all their injuries and rookies in the line-up, he was the one staple you could count on to hold everthing together. IMO, if it wasn't for Jones, the Braves wouldn't be leading the division. KP, there is a definition of the award, but the voters has misconstrued (sp) it time and time again. It is not the player of the year award, it is for the player who is most valuable to his team. __________________

August 30th, 2005, 08:40 AM	#10
KP blank Join Date: 07-08-2002 Posts: 1,988	Hmmm....I always read/heard from voters that there wasn't a hardcore definition, but an understood definition. Gammons, Stark...guys like that. In any event, I don't think there should be much complaint if any of the three win. __________________ It's a RANT DADDY world.....and we're all just livin' in it!

August 30th, 2005, 09:12 AM	#11
BtownJay Death to Crosby Join Date: 07-14-2004 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 36,278	*MLB Most Valuable Player Award* *From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.* (Redirected from MLB Most Valuable Player award) In the game of baseball, both amateur and professional, it is tradition to annually recognize the one player in the league who has contributed the most to the success of the player's team. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Mos...e_Player_award All i could find... not sure if there is an "offical" definition, but I know this is what the award was intended for when it first started. __________________

August 30th, 2005, 10:18 AM	#12
AndyC0803 The Ayatollah of Rock n' Rollah! Join Date: 06-26-2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,302	Is AJ on the juice? His best offensive year was 2003 when he went .277/36/116. He's already got more HRs and should get more RBI. He could end up at .270/55/130, which is a really big jump over his career numbers. Maybe a little fishy... __________________ Give to a great cause by clicking this link and then clicking the "donate" button. Thanks!

August 30th, 2005, 04:22 PM	#14
Mike MFIC ™ Join Date: 07-08-2002 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 11,061	Someone needs to find the OFFCIAL rules on guidlines on the MVP, from the league itself! Maybe We can track that down

August 31st, 2005, 09:46 AM	#15
BtownBeers Skull Fucker Wannabeeee! Join Date: 08-23-2004 Location: In Jays Pants! Posts: 30,664	I was looking for something on it and found some history on it then got bored and moved on __________________ As someone who has been on both ends of a loaded weapon I can only wish you well in your idealized little vision of what the world should be; I will continue to deal the world as it really is. -BaldBil

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