Red Sox get Matsuzaka Bid.

BtownJay · November 10th, 2006, 02:24 PM

For between $38 and $45 million!

Are they NUTS? Plus they will have to pay at least $10 mil a year to him! They could probably get Zito, Soriano AND Schmidt for that $55mil.

Rusty27 · November 10th, 2006, 02:38 PM

Nobody is worth that.Guess they will sell their soul to keep the yankees from getting him.

BaldBil · November 10th, 2006, 02:54 PM

This is not a good move on the surface. This guy is an unknown commodity. Theo is the man they say, this move alone could prove or disprove that. No doubt this will keep the sox on the top the mast in the Boston papers for a few days.

BtownJay · November 10th, 2006, 02:59 PM

not a good move on the surface? Then were is it a good move? For that kind of "up front money", they are going to have to sign him to a long term deal. Say 5 to 7 years at $8 to $10 mil a year? You know what this dude would have to do for those years to make this a smart move?

However, looking ahead... i wouldn't be suprised if he doesn't sign with Boston. Whoever won the bid has to now negotiate a contract with him. If they can't reach a deal, Matsuzaka goes back to Japan for the 2007 season. What if the Sox just outbid the Yanks so they didn't get him? They can offer Matsuzaka a $1 mil a year for 10 years deal... since he won't take that, the Sox get their money back and the Yanks don't get him.

BaldBil · November 10th, 2006, 03:06 PM

If he signs with them and then wins 100 games in five years it is a good move. I don't like it and see this as a desperate move by a GM who is not as smart as he thinks he is.

If he wins the 100 in five forget what I just said.

dieselwk · November 10th, 2006, 03:34 PM

ummmm... this is retarded. you pay all this money for a guy whose agent is scott boras. boras only wants him to sign a three year deal so that he can get big free agent money after the 2010 season. the major red flag is that in japan they only pitch once a week. they do not follow a 5 man rotation. he might not be able to hold up. with that said peter gammons said this guy is the real deal. thats almost good enough for me.

BtownJay · November 10th, 2006, 03:44 PM

I'm sure this guy is the real deal. He looked amazing in the World Championships (or whatever they called it). But really, how good does this guy have to be to make up for the money you are throwing away on him?

And what if you are right, and they can only get a 3 year deal with him? What do they do if the Yankees then overpay for him then? I just can't see how the reward outweighs the risks here.

dieselwk · November 10th, 2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BtownJay

I'm sure this guy is the real deal. He looked amazing in the World Championships (or whatever they called it). But really, how good does this guy have to be to make up for the money you are throwing away on him?

And what if you are right, and they can only get a 3 year deal with him? What do they do if the Yankees then overpay for him then? I just can't see how the reward outweighs the risks here.

i agree. i would be real concerned with the fact that he does not pitch in a five man rotation. that is the major red flag. come august this guy might have a dead arm. i also look at past japanese pitchers in the mlb and i would be concerned.

nhannaford · November 10th, 2006, 08:03 PM

Boras is looking for a 5 year, ten mil a season deal. I think that it is stupid spending this much cash just to be able to negotiate with the guy. However if we are able to sign him, then they just really are looking for a middle infielder, a right fielder and thenworry about the bullpen. We are definitely going to be over 200 mil this season....

JGAC · November 10th, 2006, 10:10 PM

Im not liking this at all.

Too much money for too little guarantee.

nhannaford · November 11th, 2006, 09:44 AM

ESPN.com - MLB - Olney: Matsuzaka bidding could get interesting

Im not sure, but maybe they were looking for a trade with the tigers.....

BtownJay · November 11th, 2006, 02:05 PM

lol, Nick, i can see you didn't read the article before posting. The Tigers aren't even one of the teams interested. However, if Boston does trade him... its just proof they did what they could to keep the yankees from getting him. Not a bad move.

November 10th, 2006, 02:38 PM	#2
Rusty27 Good ol' Rocky Top;Rocky Top,Tennessee Join Date: 07-15-2004 Location: Knoxville,Tenn. Posts: 31,377 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Nobody is worth that.Guess they will sell their soul to keep the yankees from getting him. __________________

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nhannaford GO SOX! Join Date: 06-04-2004 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 1,348 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Boras is looking for a 5 year, ten mil a season deal. I think that it is stupid spending this much cash just to be able to negotiate with the guy. However if we are able to sign him, then they just really are looking for a middle infielder, a right fielder and thenworry about the bullpen. We are definitely going to be over 200 mil this season.... __________________ Residential Masshole

November 10th, 2006, 10:10 PM	#10
JGAC the fish is back Join Date: 05-09-2003 Location: North End, Boston Posts: 6,079 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Im not liking this at all. Too much money for too little guarantee. __________________ Shane:You would hope we could at least spell the fucking sport correctly.

November 11th, 2006, 09:44 AM	#11
nhannaford GO SOX! Join Date: 06-04-2004 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 1,348 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	ESPN.com - MLB - Olney: Matsuzaka bidding could get interesting Im not sure, but maybe they were looking for a trade with the tigers..... __________________ Residential Masshole

November 10th, 2006, 02:54 PM	#3
BaldBil illegitimi non carborundum Join Date: 06-15-2006 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 5,763 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	This is not a good move on the surface. This guy is an unknown commodity. Theo is the man they say, this move alone could prove or disprove that. No doubt this will keep the sox on the top the mast in the Boston papers for a few days.

November 10th, 2006, 03:06 PM	#5
BaldBil illegitimi non carborundum Join Date: 06-15-2006 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 5,763 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	If he signs with them and then wins 100 games in five years it is a good move. I don't like it and see this as a desperate move by a GM who is not as smart as he thinks he is. If he wins the 100 in five forget what I just said.

November 10th, 2006, 03:34 PM	#6
dieselwk pedros daddy Join Date: 03-17-2006 Posts: 753 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	ummmm... this is retarded. you pay all this money for a guy whose agent is scott boras. boras only wants him to sign a three year deal so that he can get big free agent money after the 2010 season. the major red flag is that in japan they only pitch once a week. they do not follow a 5 man rotation. he might not be able to hold up. with that said peter gammons said this guy is the real deal. thats almost good enough for me.