Manny To The Giants?

Mike · November 29th, 2006, 12:52 PM

Has anyone else herd this rumor that the Giants are seeking a trade with the Red Sox for Manny R?

Mike · November 29th, 2006, 01:06 PM

From ESPN Insider

The market for Manny Ramirez continues to be robust. The Red Sox are talking with the Giants seriously about Manny, writes Henry Schulman, a trade that would have many ramifications -- not the least of which is that the acquisition of Manny would end any chance of Barry Bonds re-signing with the Giants.

You have to wonder how the Giants can get a deal done for Manny, because they have almost nothing to offer up in a deal; San Francisco would never talk about Matt Cain, so from Boston's perspective, left-handed pitcher Jonathan Sanchez would almost certainly have to be included to anchor the trade.

The Red Sox talked with the Indians about Ramirez, but those conversations are dead. The proposals were unworkable from Cleveland's end because of Ramirez's salary and because of the level of prospects the Indians would have had to surrender.

Ramirez would have been a perfect fit in the middle of the Indians' lineup, batting behind Travis Hafner and giving him the same kind of protection he gave David Ortiz in Boston. And because Ramirez played in Cleveland before, he might have asked for less money to accept the trade.

But for a team that opened last season with a $56 million payroll, Ramirez would've been an incredibly expensive bauble -- and, going forward, the Indians will have to have money available to pay Hafner. One way for them to do that will be to continue to develop and maintain a steady pipeline of prospects, and Ramirez would have cost them some of their best (and cheapest) talent.

Stay tuned; you get the sense that the Red Sox are increasingly comfortable with the idea of moving Ramirez even if they aren't offered a perfect package in return. It may be that the team has just grown weary of Manny Being Manny.

BtownJay · November 29th, 2006, 01:16 PM

Same problem as always when the Manny trade talks come up. Its VERY hard for a team to justify giving up what it would take to get Manny... AND pay his huge salary. Hell, didn't the Sox waive him a couple of years back and no one even wanted to claim him?

Sure he could be moved, however i bet he stays in Boston yet again... unless they are willing to pretty much give him away.

BaldBil · November 29th, 2006, 01:19 PM

There is all kinds of talk up here on Manny. The Giants, Padres, Rangers, and Angels are the teams most mentioned. The Phillies & Marlins are possibily in the mix also. If anything were to happen it seems it would involve mutiple teams. The J.D. Drew talks seem to have connection here. Good article here, BostonHerald.com - Welcome.

nhannaford · November 29th, 2006, 03:32 PM

If they get Drew this week I see a deal coming a couple of days after, most likely to the Padres. From what I've read they could get packages involving Peavey, Linebrick, and Adrian Gonzalez. I think that if he does go to San Diego it will be for linebrick and gonzalez simply because the sox will prolly sign Daisuke to round out their rotation and won't have a real need for another, unless, of course, we can get Clemens to come back for one last season.

And I can actually see him being moved because he is getting paid less than he usually is in the next two seasons, I think it is comined 38 mil, but not sure.

JGAC · November 29th, 2006, 03:54 PM

its always like this in the offseason with manny.

BaldBil · November 29th, 2006, 04:15 PM

Manny is a Pain in the Ass, albiet one who hits .315 35/120.

dieselwk · November 29th, 2006, 09:10 PM

a trade to the orioles is the only one that could make sense. that way they could get tejada in return. giants don't have shit. need to get something to replace his bat.

BtownJay · November 29th, 2006, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieselwk

a trade to the orioles is the only one that could make sense. that way they could get tejada in return. giants don't have shit. need to get something to replace his bat.

Or a multi-team trade.

nhannaford · November 30th, 2006, 06:02 AM

I really don't think they can get anything to replace his bat. The closest is tejada, but he wont be manny. This all hinges on getting JD Drew first, who would take manny's spot in the lineup if he got traded. Manny will be headed out west....if he gets traded.

BaldBil · November 30th, 2006, 09:35 AM

according to the local press Manny gave the team a list of 10 cities he would play for if a trade could be worked out.

BaldBil · November 30th, 2006, 09:35 AM

according to the local press Manny gave the team a list of 10 cities he would play for if a trade could be worked out.

dieselwk · December 1st, 2006, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BtownJay

Or a multi-team trade.

if its with the giants it has to be a multi team trade. obviously they can't replace manny's bat, but they need something in return. thats why a deal with baltimore makes sense. baltimore has at times wanted to trade tejada, and boston sure wants to trade manny. they need something because JD drew sure as hell won't play a full season. boston doesnt really need a starter. they could use bullpen help. starters they have schilling, papelbon, lester, beckett, the jap, and wakefield. they need a closer. logically i think baltimore makes sense.

November 29th, 2006, 12:52 PM	#1
Mike MFIC ™ Join Date: 07-08-2002 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 10,862 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Manny To The Giants? Has anyone else herd this rumor that the Giants are seeking a trade with the Red Sox for Manny R?

November 29th, 2006, 03:32 PM	#5
nhannaford GO SOX! Join Date: 06-04-2004 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 1,348 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	If they get Drew this week I see a deal coming a couple of days after, most likely to the Padres. From what I've read they could get packages involving Peavey, Linebrick, and Adrian Gonzalez. I think that if he does go to San Diego it will be for linebrick and gonzalez simply because the sox will prolly sign Daisuke to round out their rotation and won't have a real need for another, unless, of course, we can get Clemens to come back for one last season. And I can actually see him being moved because he is getting paid less than he usually is in the next two seasons, I think it is comined 38 mil, but not sure. __________________ Residential Masshole

November 29th, 2006, 03:54 PM	#6
JGAC the fish is back Join Date: 05-09-2003 Location: North End, Boston Posts: 6,079 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	its always like this in the offseason with manny. __________________ Shane:You would hope we could at least spell the fucking sport correctly.

November 30th, 2006, 06:02 AM	#10
nhannaford GO SOX! Join Date: 06-04-2004 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 1,348 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	I really don't think they can get anything to replace his bat. The closest is tejada, but he wont be manny. This all hinges on getting JD Drew first, who would take manny's spot in the lineup if he got traded. Manny will be headed out west....if he gets traded. __________________ Residential Masshole

November 29th, 2006, 01:06 PM	#2
Mike MFIC ™ Join Date: 07-08-2002 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 10,862 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	From ESPN Insider The market for Manny Ramirez continues to be robust. The Red Sox are talking with the Giants seriously about Manny, writes Henry Schulman, a trade that would have many ramifications -- not the least of which is that the acquisition of Manny would end any chance of Barry Bonds re-signing with the Giants. You have to wonder how the Giants can get a deal done for Manny, because they have almost nothing to offer up in a deal; San Francisco would never talk about Matt Cain, so from Boston's perspective, left-handed pitcher Jonathan Sanchez would almost certainly have to be included to anchor the trade. The Red Sox talked with the Indians about Ramirez, but those conversations are dead. The proposals were unworkable from Cleveland's end because of Ramirez's salary and because of the level of prospects the Indians would have had to surrender. Ramirez would have been a perfect fit in the middle of the Indians' lineup, batting behind Travis Hafner and giving him the same kind of protection he gave David Ortiz in Boston. And because Ramirez played in Cleveland before, he might have asked for less money to accept the trade. But for a team that opened last season with a $56 million payroll, Ramirez would've been an incredibly expensive bauble -- and, going forward, the Indians will have to have money available to pay Hafner. One way for them to do that will be to continue to develop and maintain a steady pipeline of prospects, and Ramirez would have cost them some of their best (and cheapest) talent. Stay tuned; you get the sense that the Red Sox are increasingly comfortable with the idea of moving Ramirez even if they aren't offered a perfect package in return. It may be that the team has just grown weary of Manny Being Manny.

November 29th, 2006, 01:19 PM	#4
BaldBil illegitimi non carborundum Join Date: 06-15-2006 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 5,771 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	There is all kinds of talk up here on Manny. The Giants, Padres, Rangers, and Angels are the teams most mentioned. The Phillies & Marlins are possibily in the mix also. If anything were to happen it seems it would involve mutiple teams. The J.D. Drew talks seem to have connection here. Good article here, BostonHerald.com - Welcome.

November 29th, 2006, 04:15 PM	#7
BaldBil illegitimi non carborundum Join Date: 06-15-2006 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 5,771 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	Manny is a Pain in the Ass, albiet one who hits .315 35/120.

November 29th, 2006, 09:10 PM	#8
dieselwk pedros daddy Join Date: 03-17-2006 Posts: 753 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	a trade to the orioles is the only one that could make sense. that way they could get tejada in return. giants don't have shit. need to get something to replace his bat.

November 30th, 2006, 09:35 AM	#11
BaldBil illegitimi non carborundum Join Date: 06-15-2006 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 5,771 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0	according to the local press Manny gave the team a list of 10 cities he would play for if a trade could be worked out.

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