Rose Bowl matchup

focal22 · December 5th, 2004, 01:29 PM

Nope not Cal vs Michigan but

probably Texas vs Michigan. yep Cal lost enough ground in both human polls to give up the #4 spot in the BCS polls.

guess since Cal pretty much dominated USC only to come up short on the scoreboard cost them and the PAC-10 what another $14.4 million. well not that much but whatever u get for a BCS bowl - the other bowl they will be going to.

Wonder how the ROSE BOWL folks like this one now. I say let the BCS people run IRAQ. they do a pretty good job of running college football bowl games. what a fuckin joke.

I stand corrected. Rose Bowl has first pick of who they want. So maybe a Michigan - Utah matchup perhaps.

Rock · December 5th, 2004, 06:03 PM

Cal got screwed, but no more so than Texas would have been screwed if the scenario reversed. I feel sorry for the Bears fans and players, but in this system someone gets left out(see Texas last year) This ought to be a great matchup though and I am looking forward to it.

Hook Em

nyallsports · December 6th, 2004, 02:17 PM

Cal took the number one team to the last play of the game on their own field, They are totally getting screwed here. This college football season can kiss my ass and the BCS sucks, i mean this is totally unfair. Cal deserved to be there more then Texas does

KP · December 6th, 2004, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock

Cal got screwed, but no more so than Texas would have been screwed if the scenario reversed. I feel sorry for the Bears fans and players, but in this system someone gets left out(see Texas last year) This ought to be a great matchup though and I am looking forward to it.

Hook Em

Not even close. Texass couldn't even score against the number two team in the country, in fact they lost the game the second the game was even scheduled. And everyone talks about what a great offense Texass has. Even A&M had a chance to beat ou.

Cal, the ONLY team in Div 1A to have both offense and defense in the top six in the country, comes within 9 YARDS of beating the number one team in the country ON THE ROAD, and you say Texass would have got screwed.

You, obviously, are a blind Texass homer.

And when was the last time any Texass fan was accused of integrity?

HUSKERSnCUBS · December 6th, 2004, 09:13 PM

Even the huskers scored on oklahoma : D

jtg33 · December 6th, 2004, 09:22 PM

Hell, even the pathetic Buffaloes managed 3 points against the Sooners.

focal22 · December 6th, 2004, 10:39 PM

Let me see here.

Cal 6th in the nation on offense, 4th on defense. scoring this is.
yards 5th at 495 a game on offense, 13th at 296 yards a game on defense.

Texas 14th scoring, 14th defense. 9th yards at 466, 24th at 318 on defense.

Only USC and Oklahoma are in the top 9 in both scoring offense and scoring defense.

even kick returns and punt returns Cal was better than Texas.

Last day did have an impact on the coach's poll.

California coach Jeff Tedford and the commissioner of the Pac-10 Conference called for coaches to make their votes public after California was dropped below No. 6 by six voters in the final poll.

Six coaches picked the Bears seventh or lower in the final poll: four at No. 7 and two in the eighth slot. In the previous week's poll, nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. The latest vote came after Cal's 26-16 win at Southern Mississippi on Saturday night.

The Associated Press made public its poll Sunday, listing each voter's name, news organization and votes for Nos. 1-25.

None of the AP media voters had Cal ranked lower than sixth. Eight had the Bears sixth, and in each case they were behind some combination of Southern California, Oklahoma, Auburn, Texas and Utah.

Jackrabbit 49er · December 6th, 2004, 11:22 PM

This really sucks. I don't care what anyone says a Pac10 Big10 matchup in the Rose Bowl is the best. I can't believe the comittie went Texas over Cal.

Rock · December 9th, 2004, 02:05 PM

Cal got screwed, but to blame Texas for that is ludicrous. However I will say I do believe that Texas is more deserving. Your stats and statistical rankings mean nothing since neither team had 1 common opponent. In the end what did matter to voters was that Texas had knocked off 3 BCS top 25 teams(Tech, A&M, and OSU) Cal just one (ASU) Texas lost votes for going to Kansas and narrowly escaping over a bad Kansas team with a win earlier in the season, and Cal got punished for leaving a bad Southern Miss team in the game until the 5 minute mark of the second half. I think it sucks that both teams can't go but to say Cal has a better case than Texas is ridiculous.

I also think if you want your Big 10 Pac 10 matchup then your conferences should drop their BCS dollars and go play Michigan against USC in the Rose and let OU and Auburn play for the national championship. If you want to be a part of the national championship then you loose your conference tie in the bowl game, take your pick, I'm sure noone else in the nation would stop you, the Cotton could become the 4th BCS and Auburn could be playing for the national championship. In the end though Cal would still be in the Holiday bowl..................

KP · December 9th, 2004, 02:16 PM

Please explain, then, why the voters waited until AFTER the end of the regular season to put Texass above Cal? Was the Southern Miss game really that important?

It has absolutely nothing to do with the realization that three votes, which easily and probably did come from within the conference, would put Texass above the Bears?

What you're saying is that voters "all of a sudden" realized that Texass was the better team. That is what is ridiculous. Cal won. Texass didn't play but did come out on top in the whining department, and leap-frogged another one loss team.

And you really believe there is nothing ridicolous about that.....

Rock · December 10th, 2004, 09:40 AM

Voters all season long rewarded the team that had played the best the previous weekend. After Texas beat Texas A&M a BCS top 25 team, they actually lost votes to Cal despite the fact that CAL did not play a game. If Texas can beat a BCS top 25 team fairly handily, and loose votes, then why on earth would it be wrong to penalize Cal for a narrow escape against Souther Miss. Cal would not have been in the BCS lead if voters had not punished Texas for their escape over Kansas earlier in the season..........

Rock · December 10th, 2004, 11:14 AM

from espn
Tedford said his ballot reflected what many thought should be the final season standings: USC, Oklahoma, Auburn, Cal, Utah and Texas. He was asked whether it was just perception that coaches were voting for their own conferences in the ESPN/USA coaches poll.

Why is it just so widely accepted that a Cal team with 1 loss should be ranked in front of and undefeated Utah team, while a Texas team with 1 loss to an equally ranked opponent should be ranked behind the same Utah team. Rating Cal in front of Texas or vice versa is subjective, but the only reason Cal ever had a lead in the BCS is the ridiculousness of Utah somehow falling in between the two schools in the AP poll, and apparetnly on Tedfords ballot.....If he want accountability, and fairness in voting then he should really start by looking at himself.

Insanity · December 11th, 2004, 12:16 AM

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Cal got punished for leaving a bad Southern Miss team in the game until the 5 minute mark of the second half

The problem is that Southern Miss is a GOOD team. A team that was ranked in the Top 25 at a couple points during the season. And going to Southern Miss and playing isn't easy.

I'm really torn about the Rose Bowl.

On the one hand if Michigan won, it would be good for the Big Ten which has been down somewhat this season. Plus I'm not a fan of Texas.
But on the other hand, every time scUM loses, it's a good thing and I would like to see Texas wait to receive their beating from a Big Ten until next year when they visit Columbus.

OriginalBob · December 11th, 2004, 03:47 AM

I blame Cal.
If Cal had the balls enough to play S Miss when they were supposed to and won by the same score none of this would have happened. But to cancel the game and not tell S Miss that they weren't coming is why the're deserving to go to the Holiday bowl instead of the Rose.

December 5th, 2004, 01:29 PM	#1
focal22 Join Date: 08-07-2002 Posts: 6,506	Rose Bowl matchup Nope not Cal vs Michigan but probably Texas vs Michigan. yep Cal lost enough ground in both human polls to give up the #4 spot in the BCS polls. guess since Cal pretty much dominated USC only to come up short on the scoreboard cost them and the PAC-10 what another $14.4 million. well not that much but whatever u get for a BCS bowl - the other bowl they will be going to. Wonder how the ROSE BOWL folks like this one now. I say let the BCS people run IRAQ. they do a pretty good job of running college football bowl games. what a fuckin joke. I stand corrected. Rose Bowl has first pick of who they want. So maybe a Michigan - Utah matchup perhaps. Last edited by focal22; December 5th, 2004 at 01:41 PM.

December 6th, 2004, 10:39 PM	#7
focal22 Join Date: 08-07-2002 Posts: 6,506	Let me see here. Cal 6th in the nation on offense, 4th on defense. scoring this is. yards 5th at 495 a game on offense, 13th at 296 yards a game on defense. Texas 14th scoring, 14th defense. 9th yards at 466, 24th at 318 on defense. Only USC and Oklahoma are in the top 9 in both scoring offense and scoring defense. even kick returns and punt returns Cal was better than Texas. Last day did have an impact on the coach's poll. California coach Jeff Tedford and the commissioner of the Pac-10 Conference called for coaches to make their votes public after California was dropped below No. 6 by six voters in the final poll. Six coaches picked the Bears seventh or lower in the final poll: four at No. 7 and two in the eighth slot. In the previous week's poll, nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. The latest vote came after Cal's 26-16 win at Southern Mississippi on Saturday night. The Associated Press made public its poll Sunday, listing each voter's name, news organization and votes for Nos. 1-25. None of the AP media voters had Cal ranked lower than sixth. Eight had the Bears sixth, and in each case they were behind some combination of Southern California, Oklahoma, Auburn, Texas and Utah. Last edited by focal22; December 6th, 2004 at 10:43 PM.

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December 5th, 2004, 06:03 PM	#2
Rock Join Date: 07-09-2002 Posts: 375	Cal got screwed, but no more so than Texas would have been screwed if the scenario reversed. I feel sorry for the Bears fans and players, but in this system someone gets left out(see Texas last year) This ought to be a great matchup though and I am looking forward to it. Hook Em

December 6th, 2004, 02:17 PM	#3
nyallsports Join Date: 07-31-2003 Posts: 315	Cal took the number one team to the last play of the game on their own field, They are totally getting screwed here. This college football season can kiss my ass and the BCS sucks, i mean this is totally unfair. Cal deserved to be there more then Texas does

December 6th, 2004, 09:13 PM	#5
HUSKERSnCUBS Join Date: 06-25-2004 Location: Omaha Posts: 940	Even the huskers scored on oklahoma : D

December 6th, 2004, 09:22 PM	#6
jtg33 Join Date: 03-17-2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,487	Hell, even the pathetic Buffaloes managed 3 points against the Sooners.

December 6th, 2004, 11:22 PM	#8
Jackrabbit 49er Join Date: 09-20-2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 88	This really sucks. I don't care what anyone says a Pac10 Big10 matchup in the Rose Bowl is the best. I can't believe the comittie went Texas over Cal.

December 9th, 2004, 02:05 PM	#9
Rock Join Date: 07-09-2002 Posts: 375	Cal got screwed, but to blame Texas for that is ludicrous. However I will say I do believe that Texas is more deserving. Your stats and statistical rankings mean nothing since neither team had 1 common opponent. In the end what did matter to voters was that Texas had knocked off 3 BCS top 25 teams(Tech, A&M, and OSU) Cal just one (ASU) Texas lost votes for going to Kansas and narrowly escaping over a bad Kansas team with a win earlier in the season, and Cal got punished for leaving a bad Southern Miss team in the game until the 5 minute mark of the second half. I think it sucks that both teams can't go but to say Cal has a better case than Texas is ridiculous. I also think if you want your Big 10 Pac 10 matchup then your conferences should drop their BCS dollars and go play Michigan against USC in the Rose and let OU and Auburn play for the national championship. If you want to be a part of the national championship then you loose your conference tie in the bowl game, take your pick, I'm sure noone else in the nation would stop you, the Cotton could become the 4th BCS and Auburn could be playing for the national championship. In the end though Cal would still be in the Holiday bowl..................

December 9th, 2004, 02:16 PM	#10
KP Join Date: 07-08-2002 Posts: 1,988	Please explain, then, why the voters waited until AFTER the end of the regular season to put Texass above Cal? Was the Southern Miss game really that important? It has absolutely nothing to do with the realization that three votes, which easily and probably did come from within the conference, would put Texass above the Bears? What you're saying is that voters "all of a sudden" realized that Texass was the better team. That is what is ridiculous. Cal won. Texass didn't play but did come out on top in the whining department, and leap-frogged another one loss team. And you really believe there is nothing ridicolous about that.....

December 10th, 2004, 09:40 AM	#11
Rock Join Date: 07-09-2002 Posts: 375	Voters all season long rewarded the team that had played the best the previous weekend. After Texas beat Texas A&M a BCS top 25 team, they actually lost votes to Cal despite the fact that CAL did not play a game. If Texas can beat a BCS top 25 team fairly handily, and loose votes, then why on earth would it be wrong to penalize Cal for a narrow escape against Souther Miss. Cal would not have been in the BCS lead if voters had not punished Texas for their escape over Kansas earlier in the season..........

December 10th, 2004, 11:14 AM	#12
Rock Join Date: 07-09-2002 Posts: 375	from espn Tedford said his ballot reflected what many thought should be the final season standings: USC, Oklahoma, Auburn, Cal, Utah and Texas. He was asked whether it was just perception that coaches were voting for their own conferences in the ESPN/USA coaches poll. Why is it just so widely accepted that a Cal team with 1 loss should be ranked in front of and undefeated Utah team, while a Texas team with 1 loss to an equally ranked opponent should be ranked behind the same Utah team. Rating Cal in front of Texas or vice versa is subjective, but the only reason Cal ever had a lead in the BCS is the ridiculousness of Utah somehow falling in between the two schools in the AP poll, and apparetnly on Tedfords ballot.....If he want accountability, and fairness in voting then he should really start by looking at himself.

December 11th, 2004, 03:47 AM	#14
OriginalBob Join Date: 08-14-2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,649	I blame Cal. If Cal had the balls enough to play S Miss when they were supposed to and won by the same score none of this would have happened. But to cancel the game and not tell S Miss that they weren't coming is why the're deserving to go to the Holiday bowl instead of the Rose.

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