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January 20th, 2005, 11:16 AM
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ACC Basketball
I figured since there is a Big 12 thread, I would start on for ACC fans. It looks like some people were right (mostly UKtopher) about NC State being over rated. State fell to 11-6 overall and 1-3 in the conference last night. They have lost 5 of their last 6 games, and some of those were bad losses. And Virginia, started the year ranked 25th.... they are now 9-6 overall and 0-5 in the conference. And the closest game they had in the ACC was an 11 point loss to Miami. Needless to say, they were quite overrated because of their win over Arizona.
The ACC is now looking at getting 6 teams into the big dane. Teams that are in... 1. Wake 2. UNC 3. Duke 4. Geo. Tech 5. Maryland **bubble teams** 6. Miami 7. NC State (if they can turn it around) No big matchups this weekend between the top 5 of the conference. Sunday will have Maryland vs. NC State. |
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February 3rd, 2005, 06:28 AM
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Actually BTown
I am an ESPNInsider and their Bracketology only has 5 ACC teams going right now
UNC is a 1 seed Wake is a 2 seed GTech is a 7 seed Maryland is a 6 seed Duke is a 2 seed, this is before this week w/ Duke losing and Maryland losing to Clemson badly ACC will end up getting 6 if the smaller conferences only get thier auto bids but this month will show us how things really are right now the 1 seeds are Illinois, UNC, Kansas, and BC..... IF UK can run the table, or 1 season loss to Bama only and win the SEC conf tourney, they could get that spot that BC is keeping warm until a real team shows up. UK is currently a 2 seed |
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February 3rd, 2005, 07:51 AM
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Wake has the best chance to take BC's spot as a number 1 seed. They were the #1 team in the country in alot of voters minds for awhile and they play as stiff competition as anyone. It'll all come down to when BC slips up and whether Wake can make it out of conference play alive while Kentucky destroys the SEC.
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February 3rd, 2005, 07:52 AM
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1. Wake 2. UNC 3. Gtech 4. Duke 5. Maryland as the teams that are in and then i have Miami as my bubble team (as does ESPN, they are one of the "last 4 out" teams) I think in the end they will get 6. Its just hard because the ACC is very strong top to bottom. Sure Duke, Maryland and Gtech may not be top 15 material, but every team in the conference is strong. Not ONE team in the conference is under .500. 11 teams all playing winning basketball. (only conference in the NCAA) So these teams are beating on each other making teams records worse than they should be. Like Clemson, who just beat Maryland. Sure it looks bad but in really isn't. Clemson beat Ohio St, and lost a very tough game to Boston College. Clemson pretty much out played BC except for at the free throw line. BC had 27 free throws to Clemson's 4 (thats right FOUR), and it was a 9 point game. Virginia... they beat Arizona by 18 points! And have 3 losses to team not ranked in the top 25. All of there other losses were vs. top teams in the nation. But yet are looked at as weak because they are not an elite team. In MANY other conferences they would be much better. Miami... the same thing 4 of their 7 losses came vs. top 25 teams. Again, not an elite team that would flurish in a weaker conference. Basically you are asking every ACC team to win all of there games to be any good. Which of course is not possible because they all play each other. All i can say is wait til the NCAA tourney and see what these teams do when they are not beating each other up. You will never give them enough credit, and i have no idea why i typed all this because it will never change your opinion. I'll let the tourney do that. |
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February 3rd, 2005, 08:00 AM
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Oh and C-USA getting 6 teams (more than the ACC) is a huge fucking JOKE. If this happens the commitie should be ashamed of themselves. I would love to see a C-USA/ACC challange. That would be a destruction, worse than the Big 10/ACC challenge as. Depaul, Marquette, UAB? someone has got to be playing a sick and twisted joke on my ass. Richmond, Bradley, and Northwestern were too much for these teams.
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February 3rd, 2005, 10:44 AM
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yeah Btown.....
I know you had the same teams, but you said 6, and Im not so sure they get 6 unless the smaller conferences auto bids go to the #1 teams, thats happened more and more each year. It used to be the "other" conferences almost always sent 1 team, not anymore.
The SEC has only 1 team under .500,(BTW the SEC has 1 more team than the ACC). The difference in my opinion, is that the ACC beats itself up more when teams lose games they are supposed to win 2+ times a year. Yeah, CUSA will end up w/ 4 teams, I agree with you there. IMO, beating Ohio St. isnt alot to brag about, and BC is a pretender, especially as a 1 seed, Arizona is a classic example of where you seperate the men from the boys, lose to Virginia, beat Washington, lose to Wash St????? I beleive GTech is top 10 material w/ Elder, I think thats pretty obvious from the way they were thrashing KU until he left and then the way they couldnt score when he was gone in the second half. I may not give them as much credit as you would like, But I say that the ACC is the best conference right now, but its hard to go beyond that because every conference has a different style, so to say an ACC team would dominate the SEC or any other combination is silly. ACC teams play a certain style for years at a time, The SEC used to be a run and gun conference back in 96 with those classic Cats and Razorback teams, now its grind it out defense rebounding basketball. But yeah, come tourney time the ACC teams that will succeed are the ones we talked about all along UNC, Wake, GTech, and Duke minus 1 round barring the crazy madness that is March. |
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February 3rd, 2005, 10:52 AM
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Honestly?
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OK so Wake is currently a #2 seed at 18-3, UK is currently a #2 seed at 16-2 UK has won 12 of its last 13, while Wake has won 3 of its last 5 UKs worst loss was to KU and UNC )not bad Wakes bad loss was to FSU UK only has 2 quality wins to Wakes 5, but UK has at least 2 quality opponents upcoming Bama and Miss St. decent ones in Vandy and Florida twice UK is ranked 4, Wake is ranked 7.... So with all of this, and Wakes only real tests at Duke and home vs GTech If Wake loses one game in season or doesnt win the ACC tourney, and UK runs the table through the SEC tourney, you are telling me theyd deserve the 4th #1 seed more than UK? Honestly? anyone else have an opinion on these circumstances. Now, I think UK has one more bad loss coming, and maybe a loss to Bama. But I think theyll pull it together for the tourney and end up the #2-#2 seed thats why I had them down for a 3-5 loss season. But if we run the table, No way a 2nd ACC team gets a #seed leaving us in the lurch. UHUH |
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February 3rd, 2005, 12:54 PM
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REally if UK and Wake both run the table up then I think both would get 1's so it really wouldn't matter. Wake and UNC cannot both run the table because they would meet in the ACC championship, so I think if UK wins out + tourney then they are set, same for Wake, same for Carolina. Now if BC stays undefeated, and all three teams run the table, Wake and Carolina meet in the tourney finals then I do think the winner of the ACC gets the 1 seed...........
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February 3rd, 2005, 12:56 PM
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Alot of ball to be played before we start considering that though, Carolina has their toughest stretch coming up, at FSU, at Dook, at UConn, and at Maryland........ought to be fun!!!!
Wake still has to go to Dook, to Maryland and Gtech at home........ You allready stated UK's remaining up there.... |
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February 3rd, 2005, 12:59 PM
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February 4th, 2005, 10:00 AM
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Bama ----
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February 4th, 2005, 11:59 AM
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remaining schedule
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at Vandy..13-8.....62RPI Florida...13-5.....61RPI Georgia.....10-11...190RPI at SCarolina...12-7...60RPI Miss St....17-5.....19RPI Auburn.....10-10.....167RPI at Bama...17-3.....12RPI Tenn.....7-11.....130RPI at Florida....13-5...61RPI 112-65 .632 winning% 85RPIAVG 3 cupcakes in Auburn, Georgia, and Tennessee, but the rest would make the tourney as of today.........Playing 3 definate tourney teams and 2 more that are borderline to squeeze in Bama and Miss St are potential quality wins that can solidify the Cats high 2 seed and possible 1 seed Wake at VaTech..12-7...122RPI NCSt..13-8...98RPI FSU..11-10...110RPI at Miami..13-7...65RPI at Duke..16-2....7RPI Longwood..1-21...127RPI...WTF????????????? Virginia..10-9...66RPI GTech..13-6...30RPI at NCSt..13-8...98RPI 102-78 .567 winning% 80RPIAVG only 2 potential quality wins there, but by the time Wake gets to Cameron, Duke may very well be ranked much lower. Playing 2 definate tourney teams maybe Miami squeezes in as a 3rd. at Nebraska...10-8...125RPI at Kansas State..13-5.....108RPI Colorado...10-9...68RPI at Texas Tech....13-5...40RPI Iowa State....10-8...140RPI at No. 16 Oklahoma....17-3...13RPI No. 11 Oklahoma State.....16-3...4RPI Kansas State.....13-5...108RPI at Missouri.....10-11...115RPI 112-57 .662 winning% 80RPIAVG OK, and OKSt are great potential wins, a loss outside of these two and the #1 seed goes bye bye if they dont win both of the big games. Playing 3 definate tourney teams, with Colorado trying to squeeze in. So, if Crash has to ask "who do they play about UK, then maybe he better ask that about other teams he gloats about??? huh? |
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February 4th, 2005, 12:02 PM
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theyll be fun games....
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but Im guessing UNC rolls unless Maryland really gets up for some revenge, Tech maybe if they get Elder back. Crash is killin me with this anti-UK-anti-SEC crap.....the SEC is down from recent years, but still playing exceptional ball nonetheless |
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February 4th, 2005, 12:06 PM
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I'll take S Carolina to knock of UK. BTW...I know KU plays teams. Whenever the SEC can get at least three good teams for a few years straight, then I'll consider them a major basketball conference. But it's been UK and a team drawn out of a hat year in and year out and probably always will be.
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February 4th, 2005, 12:33 PM
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